In her infinite patience, Jane Fonda deigned to sit with Bill Maher Club randomly Podcast and talk about their political passions. At one point in their tortuous conversation she declares: “I am not afraid of dying. I just want to be sure that when I die, I did everything I could.” Apparently that includes the argument with Maher, who calls her a “world-class asshole.”

Of course, Fonda’s life and career mean much more than just her looks. Maher readily admits this, although he fails to get her excited about things like dressing up as Kylie Jenner Barbarella. Fonda has no idea and doesn’t particularly care about being a youth idol, plus young people tend to share their concerns. Meanwhile, Maher has his own pet causes, like his claim that Trump won voters because many people “just think the far left has gone so crazy on so many issues.” Fonda is also unimpressed by this reaction. “That’s what people like you tell them,” she replies.

Maybe you can glean a drop or two of schadenfreude from Fonda’s complete rejection of Maher’s worldview, which continues throughout the episode. Certainly the Internet has produced good results Bill Burr absolutely DESTROYS Bill Maher on Club Random Earlier this year. But if you look at it from Maher’s perspective, you might as well assume that he is considered the winner because he equally rejects Fonda’s ideas for solving the climate crisis. Ultimately, the conversation is a case study about two people who just can’t meet halfway. Fonda thinks Maher is “so cynical”; Maher thinks Fonda is “so naive.” At one point he describes to her the plot of Just as we were– Fonda “can’t remember the movie well enough to know” what comparison he wants to make – suggesting she’s very similar to Barbra Streisand’s character. “Sometimes I wonder, if we had a utopia, that would be the biggest pain for you,” Maher says. “You are absolutely sincerely there for the cause, but the cause is also there for you a little bit. Am I wrong?”

“You’re so different from me that sometimes it’s hard for me to even understand what you’re talking about,” Fonda says after pausing to process it. “Really? “We must have something in common,” Maher counters for the umpteenth time. “I don’t think we do,” says Fonda. “Really?” He asks one last time. “No,” she says. Well, I can’t win them all.